Resolved Report on Spartan

At first I want to say I doubt if the permission to ban should have been given out here. But that is a decision on Downie's behalf and I am sure he has thought about it.

If I look back in your chat logs I can't see you have warned players by yourself (I cant see the silent commands there of course). But couldn't this get solved with a kick or eventually a rename? I don't know how it would be insulting to younger players if you would talk in a squeaky voice. We all put on a funny voice once in a while right? I really don't think it has so much impact at those players. I think it would have been safer here to respond to complaints instead of enforcing the rules without any flexibility.

 

Its out of the question that this report should just be dropped due to a veteran or higher-ranked admin saying he was allowed to ban them. Doing so would only make a statement saying that the higher-ranked admins have the right to, not exactly "abuse" but close to it, and effect to outcome of ANY ban given at any time.

There's a lot of back and forward discussing going on as of now, saying that 20 players having fun doesnt allow breaking of the rules, but to be honest there werent really any rules broken at all... Just a couple a people having fun and in this case also annoying Spartan. Seeing as it was only Spartan that found it annoying (from given evidence and whatnot) He should've muted them personally instead of using the mute command. This still stands as my opinion and if i got the "annoying" part wrong, do tell.

 

I don't think that's fair, as Watson probably heard a different story from mine.
It's out of the question that he told Watson negatives only, and not the rest of the story.

 

It really depends on what Watson knew at the time


At this rate, we can only wait and see.

 

I used csay and mic to warn, I had muted/kicked some for the insulting names etc.

The whole offensiveness of the matter was how they named themselves to the stereotypical 11 y/o gamer and made fun of them acting like them speaking like them, now if people are permabanned for mentioning Hitler once or being racist ones, why is discrimination any different when they are insulting people who are just younger and voices have not dropped?

It is prejudice. It is stereotypes. It is discrimination.

Just because it is targeted at a different set of people does not make it any different.

Let me quote our rules here for those who do not understand them.

"No racism or discrimination of any kind. This includes sprays too."

 

So, in short, I'd say both Starfish and Spartan overreacted a bit.
Spartan took the insults too heavily and Starfish took 'em too lightly, so I suggest they kiss and make up so we can end this report.

 

Im not putting any blame on Watson, what im simply trying to is that sometimes the VAs or just simply admins should take multiple stories concerning these sort of things, instead of just hopping on the first train without knowing where it leads.

 

I'm actually baffled that you manage to come up with an argument like this.

Firstly, you're victimizing yourself way too hard here.
The only person who legitimately mocked you was one player who renamed himself, Kombo King.
So I'd appreciate some actual proof on that topic.

If you truly felt like it was discrimination at the time, then you should've banned more than 2 people.
You didn't even mention it to Watson in your Steam chat at the time.
The whole thread you've used you being assaulted as an excuse.
But suddenly it's heavy discrimination? Even though no one in the server, including young kids, minded?
I don't ban people for dressing up as a pirate or pretending to be Japanese either.

And even if all of this is somehow justified, we still have the ban on Oku!.
A player who didn't do any of all of this, except for a rename on himself.
Yet you didn't even bother revoking the ban.

Lastly I have witnessess who can confirm the situation was just an ordinary jailbreak day.

For some points I missed, check the posts of some people who actually play jailbreak on this thread.
Considering the rest of the people hardly seem to know what they're talking about.
Please prove otherwise if you can.

 

You want me banned and to be seen as the ABUSIVE with NO RIGHT admin who continues this argument.
I am not going to reply any further I have written all I will and all my proof of the matter Watson already has.
You are turning this into a shitstorm and they all end up closing.

Can you please say how many of your witnesses did not take part and arnt in your groups? Don't answer I know that answer.

 

In all fairness, you genuinely dont have any proof that what you did was justified.

You can stop counter-argueing to this if you want, but that only increases the chances that this report will get accepted, so go ahead.

Neither, i fail to find it relevant that people are in a group with Starfish. They have no influence on what he does at all, and getting them to support him, which they obviously havent would just be plain sad.

 

From what I've heard about jailbreak, there is constant trouble. Mic spammers and squeakers are a rarity on orange, but I guess for jailbreak it's a common occurrence. Granite, I will go both ways here for right now. Spartan should've asked around first, before even reacting the way he did. Starfish, you should've not said in steam chat things like, "what has got up your ass?", shouldn't come to mind at all. Basically, that's harassment and poor judgement of the situation at that point.

Obviously, there was a miscommunication involved in both parties. More so, there is evidence for banning Oku, without reason which can lead to a warning for Spartan. But, for now, this will only be an outsider's opinion by me. Starfish has the longer end of the stick though mate.

 

Note that this was after his shoutbox remarks and unnecessary actions in the server.

 

I don't feel this case requires a formal warning.
In my opinion, this reports exists because of an unfortunate series of events with both admins in the wrong place at the wrong time.

However, I'd like to express my concerns towards the way Spartan reacted in both the shoutbox and the server. Admins are expected to keep their cool, nobody likes a raging admin.
For this I've forwarded a personal warning to Spartan. These do not count towards formal reports but do warn the admin that their behaviour is not to be expected from admins.

Next time will be a formal warning.