Accepted B Õ_õ M | Krupp, ban appeal

I consider spawn to be where the enemy team is unable to enter. And I also consider making it impossible for the other team to get out of the spawn spawn camping, while killing them when they're in spawn (at least my defenition of spawn) is spawn killing. That's my opinion, word's meanings can be slightly changed if enough people use it that way. And from what I know, many people use these words like this. Nothing against anyone, just putting it out there.

 

Regarding how big the spawn area is, you clearly show that you don't know anything about map design. As I said before, I encourage you to open the map in Hammer, and you'll see very clearly where the spawn area is and where the combat area is.
Believe me, what you call "spawn" is not a piece of the spawn on that map.

 

So, just because the mapper made it impossible for the opposite team to enter that area, it's automatically spawn area? Logically?
And just because many has the same idea of something, it has to be right? Logically?

 

Well the area I call spawn is just outside of the "real" spawn. So I would call it spawn yes.
And we're discussing is the use of words. Can we keep it to what actually happened and what matters?

 

well as i said a couple of posts back the game only considers a small amount of room of what players actually consider spawn a spawn able area,
its game logic vs human logic
in game logic you are right
but in human logic the shielded area is considered to be spawn.

 

Then why are you telling me these things if it's not relevant to the topic? Who made you start discussing whether it's the spawn or not?
I think it has everything to do with it since I was banned for spawnkilling when I consider that area as nothing else but combat area.
Just because some people here disagrees, it doesn't prove I'm "wrong". So, how is it going to be, did I spawn kill or did I not spawn kill?

 

it doesnt prove you are wrong but does it prove others wrong like you implied?

 

I disagree with you, because even in "human logic" you are the one who decides where the spawn-able area is. You, the human, decides that - not the game.
The tools are just doing what you're telling them to do. Until the map's spawn area is enlarged to the second arch (the hallway) I will consider that as combat area.
But if you really, really want to make your point here, go ahead and edit the map yourself and make a very visible line where you (the one who setup the rules for the servers, I presume? No?) consider to be okey to kill people.
I'm waiting.

 

Did I?

 

well it would be the case if we actually had the rights to change the map but as long as the map is owned by the rawr clan we are not allowed to make changes.
so we got choices:
1. ask the original creator of the map what he considers the spawn area
2. switch to another map that has a clear understanding of spawn.
3. never talk about this again and forget that we ever had this discussion.
4. continue this conversation until the one with the most agrees with wins.

 

well the reason you made a ban appeal is because you think the admin in question (was/is) wrong

 

That's your problem, not mine.

1) Go ahead and do that then.
2) I'm waiting.
3) Nobody forces you to continue talking with me. Just go and do something else. Simple, huh?
4) Since I'm not banned anymore, it really doesn't matter that much. I don't care if nobody of you agree with me, but I still haven't got any clear response to if I was spawnkilling or not.
And did I really deserve a 4 hour ban for "spawnCAMPING" (which some of you wants to call it instead)? Is it right to make the ban 1 week for telling you what I think about it on the forum?

 

Yes, but you said "we" in the previous post.
And I still want to know if that ban was right.

 

i used we in terms of all admins,
we have no rights to change the map
and to your question if the ban was right or not i have to refer to this:

 

Where is the evidence then? I think I deserve to see any evidence if it's my words against his. That should be fair, right?
I wouldn't protest a 4 hour ban and make such a big affair of it if I was guilty(?) I mean, what's the point if I can play again after just 4 hours?
I'm only making an example of this. What he did was wrong (in my eyes, and maybe in many others too, who knows?) and I still haven't heard a single word from him.
Isn't that kinda strange that he doesn't even say anything about it? It should be in his interest to tell everyone how it looked like from his point of view, but no, nothing.

I'm only unbanned practically, as my "case" is still pending on the forums, I consider it to be not finished yet. That's why I'm still discussing it

 

Krupp. I will not be responding to this whole explosive response beyond this post. I, as admin, have right to use bans as required. You were doing something that I saw against the rules. I asked you not to, you did so anyways. I kicked as a warning, which is indeed a viable way to warn people. You then came back immediately to argue with me about my ways of administration and saying that I was wrong. You may believe yourself to be correct in every single way but to an admin who is there to make sure everyone follows the rules, you are arguing and breaking rules. All bans are at the discretion of the administrators, whether they do or do not conform to the rules. I conformed to the rules. If if was someone else, you may have gotten a longer ban, the same amount, or less. It is up to what the administrator seems fit to use. If I consider what you did to be spawn killing or camping, then stop and don't argue. Listen to your administrators because most, if not all, only want to make the server a benevolent place to play.

Thank you for your time,
Fluffaluffacus.

 

I have been admin on these servers for a longer time than you have, so you don't have to bring up all this bullshit. I didn't get ANY warning besides a kick. I think it's really annoying and stupid. If your plan was to make some sort of balance on the server, that's not the right way to start with. I'm also pretty sure n0name has some kind of guidelines for what's proper time to ban in such situations. 4 hours ban for killing near the spawn, without even knowing I did break the rules, is kinda long time. Don't you think? And when I get upset about stuff that other people are responding here on the forum, which they even said had nothing to do with this themselves, some other fucking admin bans me even longer. What the fuck is that?

Next time you could try to actually speak with me instead of just fucking up my gameplay without any reason. Because that could possibly not being good for the best of this server. But that's just my opinion.