Accepted B Õ_õ M | Krupp, ban appeal

What was your name when you got banned?
B Õ_õ M | Krupp / http://steamcommunity.com/id/norsegrim/
When did it happen?
10.12.2012 19:45
What's the specified reason? (http://bans.f-o-g.eu)
Spawnkilling by Fluffaluffacus on Trade/Idle :: F-o-G.net - Backpack
Why do you think you should be unbanned?
I think I should be unbanned because spawnkilling requires you to actually kill someone inside the spawn, which I didn't.

Note: I wrote this appeal, since Krupp's IP was banned from this forums

 

All I'm saying about this is:
- 4 hrs for the first time is way too much
- Spawnkilling is impossible for a sniper on that map
- It's Krupp's word against Fluff's(or I'm too stupid to find the chatlog)... I know Krupp way better than I know Fluff...

 

Did he actually write the appeal though?

 

of course he did

 

Spawnkilling is also mean by not giving them a chance to get away from their spawn. And as sniper you can easy spawnkill.

 

Well, you're talking about spawncamping, not spawnkilling

 

Okey, I don't want to sound like a dick, even if some people actually think I am, but most people have to learn what spawn killing really is. I'm getting so tired of admins kicking/banning people because of spawn killing when it's not.
Just think logical for a moment. On a map you have the spawn and the combat area. Everything outside the spawn is the combat area. On trade_rawr (or whatever the name is), you have one arch directly at the spawn, and then there is
a small hallway (which the mappers made to prevent spawn killing), and finally you have a second arch towards the combat area. That hallway isn't inside spawn, and therefore (logically AND practically) it's not spawn killing when you kill someone
inside there. I have been an admin on these servers myself so I know all the rules damn well, and what an admin is supposed to do or not. I also know the difference between spawn camping and spawn killing. It's a huge difference to be honest.

Don't give me that bullshit it's spawn killing, and when you're proven wrong it's automatically something else just to make your own argument legit. Because that's even worse. He kicked me without any warning and when I got back I was fairly pissed off
and told him it could be nice to have at least a warning (which I didn't get). He told me that I should've read the rules (the MOTD) before I joined, but I already know the rules very well (even if I have my opinions about some of them).
He encouraged me to start argue when he said "start arguing please", which I did. He then called me an "idiot" and when I was just about to continue the discussion, boom, I was banned. Nice work there Fluffypuff.

Sure it's "only" 4 hours, but this is a principle. I'm not going to accept being handled like this, especially not here where I was admin myself, and absolutely not by a noob admin who doesn't even know what's what and what to do.

Edit: I killed the snipers inside the hallway (because they camped there and tried to kill me, not my problem then) but all the other classes got a chance to run out from that area. Sure, I killed them very close to their spawning area, but come on, the whole fucking map is one big piece of nothingness. You have a big square of chaos with a boxing ring in the middle. Where am I supposed to stand and kill people so it won't "upset" some inexperienced admins? This is just stupid.

 

Let me quote myself and the rules again

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You can count a kick as a warning. Since they may be, and are able to ban you straight away for it.
Some admins ban you straight away for it. Some even kick you 5 times for it. Just depends on what you were doing before and how you are reacting.

 

No, I can't count a kick as a warning. When you kick someone you have already taken practical actions and the one who got "punished" didn't even had a chance to respond or do anything about the situation.
It just ends right there, the gameplay is turned off and you're out of there. And if the punishment wasn't fair because the admin has some strange ideas about how the map is constructed, it's even worse.
If an admin think someone is breaking the rules, tell them they are breaking the rules. Don't kick them straight away and then call him/her an idiot because they can't argue for shit.

Tell me, do you actually think a player deserves a 4 hour ban for spawn killing when he's obviously not spawn killing? If not, why am I still banned? I shouldn't even have to go on about all this.
Stupidity in its worst form.

 

well lets see,
defining spawn killing: killing players in their spawn area.
In the trade_rawr map the FoG idle is running on has closed off spawn areas that the opposing team cant enter thus players behind the barrier are inside their spawn area.

 

You should really open the map in Hammer, and you'll see where the spawn is and where it's not. Please, I encourage you to do it.

Edit: You can try how many times you want to, It wasn't spawn killing. And another thing, where in the rules can I read about where the line is for spawn killing and not spawn killing, hm? Maybe, just maybe, it could be a good idea to tell me where the line is instead of just kicking me out. How the fuck am I supposed to know _your_ rules otherwise? And in the future, please, tell me what I am doing wrong before doing anything else if it's not covered in your "MOTD" or what the fuck you want to call it.

 

Yes. The spawn is not in the hallway. But it's still considered spawncamping.

 

That's irrelevant because I was banned for spawn killing. But it's good you actually realized that all by yourself, so I'm counting on you unbanning me straight away now.

 

You gotta be kidding me. Now I'm banned for 12 hours. Reason: "Spawnkilling and Inappropriate language on the forum"
Simply go fuck yourself.

 

well the game considers only a small amount of room as spawn able area,
but obviously the map makers intended the whole area as spawn thats why they blocked it off with a barrier.

 

Check again. And count yourself lucky.

 

No, they only made that protection for one reason: to prevent killing behind that hallway. In other words, they sealed off BEFORE the actual spawn area just in case.
All you're doing now is what I mentioned before. You're trying with something completely different to make your argument legit. It's not working, you're still wrong.
It's up to the map maker how big the spawn area is. I should know, I'm a mapper myself. You're wrong there too. Can you unban me now?

 

Yeah, I already know it's one week now. Lucky? Don't make me laugh. Tell me one thing, how can you make the ban on the game server longer for not kissing your asses enough on the forum?
It makes no sense at all to be honest. Sure, if I was banned from the forum for breaking too many rules, I could go with that (couldn't actually care less to be really honest), but on the game server? That's beyond any reason.
But sure, be idiots. Don't you forget that I said that, okey?

 

I think this is all blowing out of proportion. Fluff was probably having a bad day and so were you Krupp.
I'd say we stop making such a hassle out of this and just shorten the ban to the original 4 hours.

 

one question.
because you are a map maker your point of view on the issue is right?
because neither of us made the TRADE_RAWR map and don't know the idea of the original creator i call it a draw.
diffrent people means diffrent point of view.