Accepted 76561198170421719 (Zenith)

Accused:
| steamname: Zenith
| steam3ID: [U:1:210155991]
| steamID32: STEAM_0:1:105077995
| steamID64: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198170421719
| customURL:
| steamrep: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198170421719

Scammer alt:
| steamname: Zidane poot-is.com
| steam3ID: [U:1:297314858]
| steamID32: STEAM_0:0:148657429
| steamID64: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198257580586
| customURL: http://steamcommunity.com/id/zidannium
| steamrep: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198257580586

Scammers other acc:
| steamname: UnusualGaben CSGOSHIT.com
| steam3ID: [U:1:76063836]
| steamID32: STEAM_0:0:38031918
| steamID64: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198036329564
| customURL: http://steamcommunity.com/id/loveislifekek
| steamrep: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198036329564


Description:
This guy is betting on different sites for a scammer because the scammer is banned on the sites.


Screenshots:
http://files.f-o-g.eu/g2fbgc
http://files.f-o-g.eu/54b0ef
http://files.f-o-g.eu/a7d0ca
http://files.f-o-g.eu/d6ca16
http://files.f-o-g.eu/6453cf
http://files.f-o-g.eu/4daee6
http://files.f-o-g.eu/6f8212

 

Hey, I was going to report this guy too. This is the main account of Zidane:

| steamname: AMAZED1337
| steam3ID: [U:1:42052248]
| steamID32: STEAM_0:0:21026124
| steamID64: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198002317976
| customURL: http://steamcommunity.com/id/alezzzz11
| steamrep: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198002317976

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M, well, he was doing a quick deed, not actually betting for him. He has not claimed any of the high-value items as his. In theory, according to Muselk's SR Report, if all items are given back(The CM Jefe here), then the report is invalidated, correct?

 

Defending info

First off, everything I snipe for him, I give back, so I am not doing direct trades with him, also, he hasn't given me anything at all.
History - backpack.tf - won this off of someone else, with someone else's unusual
http://files.f-o-g.eu/235159 - i gave that all back to him

Zidane poot-is.com's Backpack - backpack.tf - his bp
None of the items have my name with his name on it together:
History - backpack.tf - not my name or his, won it off the lotto from someone else
History - backpack.tf - doesnt even have a history
History - backpack.tf - not my name or his, won it off the lotto from someone else
History - backpack.tf - has his name on it, not mine though, won from someone else

http://files.f-o-g.eu/g3g21d - some unusuals I won myself from OTHER people, couldn't find history of the madame, but I assure you it didn't touch Zidane's bp

History - backpack.tf - ye oiled history, doesn't have my name nor his
History - backpack.tf - banana history, won it from Sleeping Bear, gave back the VRH to him, he lost it in a lotto himself I believe.

Once again, I gave it all back, I didn't do any 1 for 1 trades like an actual trade is, I was just being generous and helping a man out.
I am being used by him, he wants me to do the pots so he can get profit, I just do it because I am nice, is there seriously something wrong with being nice?

He gives me stuff to win lottos for him, I give the stuff back. Now if I kept it, you can ban me, but I am not doing actual trades with him, I can stop now to end this ban report. If you oh so desire to caution tag me, go right ahead, but I'm stopping the sniping tomorrow, 9/20/2015, that is all.

IF I BREAK MY WORD ON THAT, you may caution tag me or ban me, I am done doing lottos for him, he's got what he wanted, so I am done too. He has also only gained a profit of 100 keys or so, he has lost around 500-600 keys from the lottos, the winnings just came today to give him back profit, so I am done now with that, no more.

I can show proof of him losing that stuff too if needed.

Once again, I do not have my name on ANY of those items, so I also keep my word for not doing the lottos for him. End of story.

 

Well, he didn't really trade with the scammer. He gave all items back to the scammer. The only item he recieved was the CM jefe, which he returned. I don't believe I see any rules here that could convict him

 

I agree.

 

Let's see what we have here:

Trading with a scammer (banned user)
Helping a scammer avoiding bans for the purposes of betting (scammer banned on backpack.tf)
Laundering goods for the scammer (process of betting)
Carried out more than once and across multiple sites

It is immaterial that he gave the items back. He may as well be regarded as a scammer alt.

 

He is going to be around 100-200 keys in debt since he has to pay a friend something, I did have to give the unusuals back because then if I ran with the items, that would be scamming. What's worse?

The items werent mine for the 10th time, all of them are owned by him, and I also made a suggestion to you all that if I bet one more unusual of his, you can ban or caution tag me, but so far I haven't broken the suggestion. If you really think I did it to help him, you're wrong. I honestly wanted him to lose profit, he's a scammer in the first place and has tons of other accounts that are filled with riches, so why not make him lose.

I did recently have a 22% win on a Haunted Ghosts Gibus that I did not expect, but once again, tomorrow he is going to be in debt because of the stuff he has to pay to his friend.

I am done with betting, I did my deed that he wanted me to do, it's done now, end of story once again. Also, I am not a scammer alt of Zidane... We have no relations in email or anything family wise. It was also for a 2 day period, not like a month or so. Let me add this one more time, I WANTED HIM TO LOSE PROFIT BECAUSE HE IS SO RICH IN HIS OTHER ACCOUNTS, not the other way around.

I can also provide you guys with his other accounts to ban those too, if you would like.

P.S. I did not carry this out across multiple sites... He made me do bp.tf pot ONCE because he liked Sleeping Bear's banana, not me. The rest are on sweetstakes, and I leave it off with, I am done helping him as he has used me, done.

 

Please refrain from posting on this report unless you have something of substance to add.

 

Regardless of what he was doing, this has been proven time and time again as helping a scammer profit which is generally an offense. Even if he "gave the items back", he helped a scammer profit and did trade with him.

 

Actually, my whole intention was for him to LOSE profit, not gain, and my mission is complete, he was -250 keys in debt from the sweetstakes gambling, but then he had won a Haunted Ghosts Gibus (350) with 22% chance to win. He was 100 keys in profit at the time but then he had to owe a friend of his 200 keys or so, making him in debt again.

My whole goal was to make him lose profit, read my last comment, he is rich in other accounts, so why not make him lose some money in one of his alts.

Without the gibus win (that I did not expect to happen), he would have lost a burning phantom (140) so, 250 +140 (the item that was placed in the pot, and somehow won the gibus) = 390 + 200 (money he had to owe his friend) = 590 keys. He would have been 590 keys in debt, but of course, the gibus win screwed it up, and he had gained profit, that's not what I wanted.

I never "traded with him," as you guys say. If I never gave the items back, that's called scamming, is it not? And since I never held the items overnight or for a few days to snipe whenever I wanted for him (I really wanted to keep it overnight to make him lose) I never really had clear possesion of the items, and my name nor his is in any of the items, except for the Duped Cloudy Moon El Jefe, which I only had for a good 1-2 minutes, then gave it back.

trade
trād/
noun
1. the action of buying and selling goods and services.

2. exchange (something) for something else , typically as a commercial transaction.

That's the definition of trade, I did none of those with him, and the stuff I won for myself, was with my own items, not his. End of that story too.

Summary: 1. You saying I helped a scammer profit is invalid since he has lost profit overall and I did not do any "helping" for him as you guys say (even though in the end I never helped at all, which was my plan) yesterday, not one single gamble for him, go check the histories of bp.tf lotto and sweetstakes lotto, my name is no where there with his items.
2. I provided you all with the definition of trade, I did not "trade" with him, I did simple 1-2 minute item holdings for him to lose profit, never held one of his items for a day or more.

There's my defense, please respond as soon as possible if you want to point something out, I've already proven a lot wrong in this report, unless I'm missing something, do tell.

 

I was pointed to this report due to a ban you are currently serving on Outpost for 'gambling on behalf of scammers.'

I truly do not know where your thinking is, but trading with scammers/scammer alts for ANY reason is NOT allowed under ANY circumstances as per SteamRep rules.

Your rational that you were doing him a favor, trying to make him lose, just being a nice guy....whatever, does not hold merit.

Don't know where you think this is true. All that means is you had it too fast in your BP for it to register as you owning the items.

That's still called TRADING WITH SCAMMERS.

When you are being nice to scammers/scammer alts, then yes it is wrong.

So even after being told what you are doing is wrong, you still were doing it during the report.

So your intention is to scam a scammer? Thats a markable offense as well.

Bottom line, while the fine Admins here are free to administer this report as they see fit, brokering for scammers/scammer alts is definitely a permanent offense on Outpost, and your ban reason there has been modified to reflect our changes.

 

Under Investigation.

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All right, I'm not here to scam a scammer or help a scammer gain profit from bypassing betting websites.

Zidane was never banned from sweetstakes (I don't know why he wasn't), so I saw the opportunity to somehow make him lose profit without scamming him (AKA stealing his unusuals and just running away, now that would be called scamming).

Once again, trade means that both parties are involved in the transaction. I never gave him anything of mine, he did give me his stuff for a good 1-2 minutes or so and he would either lose or win, but in the end he lost at least 5 unusuals to a few low %'s and a few high %'s.

Trade: exchange (something) for something else, typically as a commercial transaction. I, in the end, never exchanged anything with him that I OWNED, the unusuals I didn't want him to win.

I kept most of the unusuals in the sweetstakes queue enter area, I never traded them back since he wanted me to bet 24/7 at night, and he trusted me to keep them and not run away, so the next day, I bet again and he lost all of them to Shmevin and I believe to other people. He didn't say himself it was a scam, because if he wanted the unusuals back and I didn't give it to him and just bet on my own behalf, that would be scamming. He told me what to do and when to enter, and he didn't care if he lost the unusuals in the first place also.

Look, caution tag me, ban me, whatever. I have tons of other stuff in real life to worry about and I've just been playing mvm and enjoying steam games themselves before I get possibly banned. I didn't intend to indirectly "scam a scammer" as Toughsox said, I just wanted to find an efficient way to get payback for what he did to my friend scamming wise.

Thank you and have a nice day.

 

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Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet - Note Swindle being a Synonym
Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet - Note the verb-tense Definition

~ You had physical trades with Zidane. While you did not keep the items in the end, you exchanged your services of betting for him for, in return, the hats to bet with.
~ You are involved in this transaction, as you are the one providing the service end of the trade.
~ You knew he couldn't bet on Sweetstakes for some reason, which should have been a sufficient red flag for you.

Seeing as how you are fairly active on backpack.tf, you could have easily seen that Zidane poot-is.com's Profile - backpack.tf (Zidane) and UnusualGaben CSGO****.com's Profile - backpack.tf (UnusualGaben) are both banned for being Alts, as well as the fact that both TF2 Outpost / User / Zidane poot-is.com (Zidane) and TF2 Outpost / User / UnusualGaben CSGOSHIT.com (UnusualGaben) are banned on Outpost for being Scammer Alts.

These interactions with Scammer Alts, coupled with you doing this with the intent to defraud Zidane, and the fact that this does fit the definition of a Trade -> Scam (due to the definition of its synonym, Swindle), is, to me, without a doubt, a scam.

 

Thank you for the report and apologies for the delay.

After some internal discussion, we have decided to apply a Caution tag to the accused for knowingly brokering for scammers. This Caution tag can be appealed in 3 months.

We do not condone brokering for scammers, even if to make the scammer lose profit.