Accepted Ban Appeal - Ihmeepeli

There's screenshot from my skype history, that proves i had a conversation with vileksi. (all the yellow boxes are names and personal info, as i don't use nicknames in skype)
You can also notice that i have actively almost every day calls. I use it always when i'm playing games with friends.
It's obvious that we share info from what is going on in game: spotting (snipers, sentries, attackers and their directions etc.), pointing out a possible flank or direction for a suprise attack and stuff.
example: i'm in water. Vileksi spots a sniper on balcony "sniper up right" (snipu ylä oikea) and now i have clear shot there even if i don't see the target.
example2: one of us spots a bigger enemy wave. we give a rough guess of how many and what classes from what we saw. Then we quickly set up a line of defence (next to a random players sentry for example) now we have great odds to atleast pick off keytarget like medic.
So with "two pair of eyes" it's easier to predict an unseen target.

 

To be honest Epeliihme, it doesn't prove anything because you can't prove that these calls have any relation with the case at hand.

 

The time.

 

Is not strong enough - any calls could be made during those times and unless Ihmee has recorded the call, there is no way for him to prove the relevance.

I am not saying this to be mean, but I am just stating out a fact - there is no proof of relevancy going on here.

 

holy shit, yesterday you guys throwed out "he appealed 30 days after the ban" as a strong argument, now it isnt anymore since downy said that the time is irrelevant, he even explains all that stuff and shows his knowledge, did the screen, and Watson himself said that he banned him during the usage of a common map gimmick, what the fuck?some guys posting here are just trying to get rid of him

so you seriously want to tell me, yesterday the time he needed to appeal was a strong argument against him, and now such a screen (and any other argument) isnt strong enough?

Haha, sorry, this is just getting stupid, unban him already.

 

Triforce, here's to metaphor the strength of his screenshot:

Let's assume that today I am talking to person A on skype. Person B then contacts me later and asks me if I have talked to person A about an errand. I then show a screenshot to person B of a call I had with person A.

It only proves that I have been involved in a call with person A, but it doesn't prove whether I have spoken about the errand or not.

I got nothing against him but I just question the screenshot's purpose - what is it really proving here?

 

I posted it mainly because you guys picked "he waited 30 days" as a main reason before. It's equally ridiculous, neither the 30days nor the the skypecall(except the time ofthe call) isnt saying anything.

But you know that already, as you messaged me about that.

 

From what I remember there wasnt strong evidence of hacking (am I mistaken? If so sorry), but maybe an unban would be ok if admins keep a close eye on him? Ofc if he does end up hacking you can always just ban him again.

 

Until the next appeal, no doubt .

So far I'm not convinced. As you say there's no hard proof he was hacking, just suspicions based on various observations by some admins.

 

It's my time to get into this conversation, but I don't have much to say except that the banned person was suspicious to me for quite a while and still is. I don't know many details of the ban, I only got a message about this player being banned a month ago or so. I wasn't present when that happened so I can't discuss much in there. The only thing I want to say is I vote no for unbanning for previously stated reasons (suspicious behaviour). Let the management decide.

 

This ban appeal is basicly: No evidence that he was hacking, no evidence that he wasnt.

If a majority of the admins thought he was hacking, let him stay banned, if not. Unban him.

 

since there are no proof of him hacking, i say unban him!

 

You shouldn't permaban someone based on suspicions, there should be definite proof that he was hacking before they get such a lengthy ban.

If like you said there is no evidence, is it right to keep them banned? Would it be fair if we banned you for no concrete reason other than "we thought you were suspicious"?

 

I was actually just about to edit it to "Unban him, there's no evidence"

 

I wasn't the one that banned the player, I've heard Downie did it and I'll leave it to him, don't mix me into this 'cause like I mentioned I wasn't present.
I don't know if there IS a proof or if there is not, but I think someone like Downie had and has enough knowledge to notice if someone's using cheats.
I'm outta here now, but can't wait to see what's the result

 

I wasn't the one responsible for his ban, so that's a pretty bold statement to be fair. I wouldn't personally ban someone based on being suspicious of someone, only voice my concern that they should be watched and keep a eye on them myself. Whatever the higher management decide to do is entirely their choice, I'm just providing my opinion as is everyone else on the thread .

 

Just gunna say, I meant "You" as in a generalisation, I know you didn't ban this user, as you weren't even an admin at the time, but I think we can all agree on perma banning someone without definite proof isn't a good thing. :3

 

Agreed.

 

So what happens now ? I'm still waiting for the final decision here.

 

Just wait a little longer, I will try speed watson up.