Accepted Here we go...

What was your name when you got banned?
RidPhoGuy-Carl is my chosen name.

When did it happen?
It happened just now. 22:00 on the 19:th of January.

What's the specified reason?
Library is the specified reason. So to take it a step further, library killing.

Why do you think you should be unbanned?
Well. Here's the annoying bit. There is a term that some admins call Library Abuse. A part of this is basically that you use library to escape a fight you're loosing outside of library. I was in a fight with a sniper while playing scout who was clearly shooting for me (No idea who the sniper was), and this guy takes off and enters the library. I think to myself "Hell no, I'm not going to let you run away that easily when admins have directly told me it is okay to kill library abusers". One second later, I am banned by "cheatnow" without futher investigation. Very illogical to me.

I don't really weep over this ban that badly honestly, its only for a day. I however get annoyed with the fact that the ban was faulty and that I shouldn't have been in the first place. It also annoys me that this ban apparently lands on some sort of (permanent?) record, that might affect me in the future if I decide to try to become an admin or if I actually do something that deserves a ban, that might make the bantime worse.
Thanks for reading, and try to put yourself into my situation.

 

as long as it is not noted in the rules http://www.f-o-g.eu/threads/team-fortress-2-server-rules.2/
that your allowed to kill "library abusers" i see this as breaking the no library killing rule,
I agree with you that it's annoying when they run in a fight.
But when that allows you to kill in the library you give other members of the opposing team a reason to kill you the rule breaker who just killed their team mate.
a vicious circle.

 

I was quite a couple times on the server when you were there and you always warned players about that you are going to chase them into the library and kill them if they use it as a last resort to get away. I'm totally okay with it, though it's hard for an admin to differ between Librarykilling and taking out a fight in the library that started outside. I know you for a couple days now and am familiar with your attitude against those people so I can ignore your shenanigans. Appears cheatnow doesn't, which you can't really blame him for. Though I'm kinda annoyed by the fact that there's more and more of those "Instant-24h-bans" without any warning as well, but that may be a discussion that doesn't belong here.

 

Well i might be expecting too much from players, reading is hard after all.
Since there is no standard for the library kill rule it all depends on the admin at question "me"
When i still used to ban for 120 mins most players didn't learn anything from it so i raised the time i ban for the rule.

 

Like i said. I don't blame you for banning him, since you weren't present the last couple days where we discussed that topic on the server, so I neither vote against nor for the ban. I just wanted to clear that up. The thing is, I just witnessed a lot of 24h bans without a kick as a warning beforehand. I'm not saying that this is always the case and won't say any names but it happens A LOT lately. I know it's up to the admin to set the duration and the reasons and the whatnots for the bans, but since I know that we are/were kind of struggeling with a solid playercount on our servers I think it won't help us that much if we instantly ban players out of the blue for 24 hours even if they're supposed our little Rule Pop-Up. Just a suggestion there, kinda fits the topic. You guys discuss that and it's "only" a 24 hour ban anyway, so he'll probably survive.

 

Well i'm all in for a discussion on the ban lengths, but in my oppinion the rules pop up should sufface as a warning.
but thats open for discussion.

 

My only concern now that I've calmed down is that the ban is recorded.
I have been active for quite some time on FoG-servers earlier and have been considering applying for an admin post, since I think I'd do alot of good.

But it feels like a ban is sort of like a previous record with the police.
"You're not going to get on the force if you commited a crime."

 

Well if you do apply for admin, it will be the first thing they point out you are correct there.
But it should not effect your admin app as heavily as you think.

 

He's an all-round decent fella that I've known for quite som time, IRL as well. I personally think it was wrong but I think ban lenght could've been an hour or 2. But I guess that's up to cheat. And no need to worry Mahoney have been banned before he was admin.

 

Alrighty. I usually don't like to repeat myself and it might not belong here but I'll make an exception. My complain is not about the banlenght, you can go all out if you fancy, I couldn't care less if it is reasonable. The little thing that bothers me is that lately there are bans out of nowhere. The rule pop-up appears let's say every 2 minutes. Some Admins don't even use it and the ones that do always put a little delay of approximately 2 minutes in between. Two minutes is a hell of a lot time to run from your spawn into the library and kill a couple guys, without you even knowing that we have this "No Library Killing"-Rule. So he's gonna get a 24h ban just after he joined the server and with absolutely no idea what the heck he did wrong. And that you are supposed to read our rules beforehand.. might be a valid argument but come on. If you join aaaany other trade-server no one can tell me that the first thing he does is typing !rules or something like that. Again I'm totally fine with 24h bans after several warnings and the guy just not getting it, but this instant bans just annoy the fuck out of me. Excuse my language there.

 

well the records are perm till n0;name desides to wipe temp bans to clear sourcebans.
But i have unbanned you.
still out of my point of view you were going in guns blazing,