Implemented Let Mini-Admin remove sprays

Discussion in 'Suggestions (archive)' started by jackboy61, Feb 13, 2018.

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Should this be added?

Poll closed Feb 20, 2018.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. jackboy61

    jackboy61 Member

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    So, as I am sure you are all aware the main goal of a mini-admin is to handle problems with player communication such as racism. While I understand that we want to keep Mini-admins without much power to avoid abuse, I feel like it would be nothing but beneficial to everyone if Mini-Admins could remove sprays. They are trusted enough to hand out gags and mutes, So why not remove sprays? This helps the staff team by giving them one less thing to worry about as the mini-admins will be able to sort it out.
     
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    Changed vote to close in 7 days.
     
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    Hello everyone. I find this topic rather interesting. Bare with me for a little thought experiment, ok?
    It is true, Mini-admins are trusted with the ability to mute, but why? Mutes are registred automatically. We have proof who did what and when. Everything is logged. The acused could doubt the Mini-admin's decision and claim an admin-abuse. Everyone can verify, thanks to the proof that has been logged. We have ourselves a well organised case. We all like that, right?
    I am not so sure how you want to proceed with the removal of sprays though. Let's say a Mini-admin (Mr. X) finds an offensive spray of Mr. Y. Fair enough, screenshot, report, and so on. But if Mr. X removes the spray: No proof left, whatsoever. Mr Y. goes on the forums, claims an admin abuse, then what? Everyone is confused, because: No proof = it didn't happen. Mr. X therefore needs to make a screenshot, upload it. Once he forgets that, everything collapses.
    The moment we (the community) are forced to decide who we want to believe or not instead of working with facts, oh boy, it can get really shady really fast. Unless you can make an automated system work, that the server logs when, why, and by whom a spray has been removed. I don't know about that though.
    So why am I doing this? I know that people like to abuse and bend rules. If they learn, that something is abusable whole hell is breaking loose. I am talking from Mr X's and Mr. Y's perspective at the same time here. We naturally trust our Mini-admins, but if they fail to prove their actions... I don't know. I will let you think about this.
    A wonderful day to everyone! If there are any questions left: Feel free to ask :)
     
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  4. jackboy61

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    Some fair points. However you came up with the solution yourself. Simply require that the mini-admin uploads a screenshot whenever they remove a spray. Possibly have a thread somewhere dedicated to it? And then delete ones that re a few weeks old. That way people can just point at the upload on go "That is the spray that Mr Y. Used". If there is no screenshot, the mini admin gets a warning for failure to follow the screenshot rule. If they can't be trusted to remember something as simple as a screenshot then I doubt you can trust them to be a mini-admin.
     
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    Adding on to jackboy, I believe mini admins should definitely have some say over inappropriate/racist sprays. Mini admins are unable to ban and considering that porn sprays result in a temporary ban and racism a permanent one, having a mini available to quickly remove it in order to warn the player before an immediate kick/ban is good.

    Plus, if a mini admin was accused of abusing their power, there are always demos to go back and review.
     
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    @Jackboy: By following the logical structure of my thought experiment you came up with an idea of a possible verify-system yourself. Therefore my thought experiment achieved what I initially wanted it to achieve. Your proposition is a good one I might add.
    @Roddy: Thank you so much for pointing this out: I simply forgot about the autorecord system on the servers. So the whole "having definite proof" aspect wasn't that clever. My bad :(
    Have a wonderful day everyone.
     
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    Just a note that demos don't actually contain sprays, unless you were on the server before and downloaded the spray.
     
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    MAs should now have access to the spray commands.
     
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