Rejected Admin Report - Ninjamouze

Admin

Ninjamouze​

Date/time

09.06.2017 22:00 paris hour​

Server

CSGO - Surf Beginner [Tier 1-2 | Timer | Ranks] :: F-o-G.eu​

Description

One guy was playing music on the server vocal channel, everyone was ok with that, but then, this guy came and muted him, saying that it was against the rules. One guy strated arguing with him, by a can not more polite way. After a few minutes, the admin muted him too, with the reason "rude", tho this guy never said anything rude at any moment.​

Evidence

this was not recorded sadly​

 

I have no idea if he used his mic during this, but his chatlog saved the whole discussion.
While the reason "rude" isn't really professional, playing music IS against the rules, so he had his fair point there.
Also, it seems like he didn't really wanted to bother with you guys, since he had a good reason to mute and you guys started discussing if the mute had a reason or not.
All in all this reports seems kinda unnecessary, unless I missed something chatwise.

 

the guys that got mutted for nothing is Hoxx. After the other guy got muted for playing music, he started talking to ninja, in a very polite way, and nothing at all could have justified that he got muted. But he did. This is an injustice and goes straight against any individual first right which is feedom of speech. Hoxx hasn't been rude in any matter and that mute was an admin power abuse. I hope i made my point a bit clearer.

Though, thank you for you quick answer and chat invetigation to this report.

 

Yea, I found out that Hoxx got muted as well, but the thing is that Hoxx has nearly no chatlog at all, and the chatlog that he has is merely useless.
Still, he shouldn't really argue with an admin if someone got muted for a good reason (aka. breaking the rules in this case).
Guess we'll have to wait for ninja to tell us his perspective.

 

Well, technically, since you do not say that you can't talk with the admin about his descision in you rules, there is absolutely no reason that it would override the freedom of speech rules that applies everywhere, so he can argue with an admin no matter what. We are playing on these servers assuming that people, especially the staff, are adults and responsible, and that they won't mute someone as soon as they start having a real, argumented with facts, discussion as would two adults do.

He mainly talked in voice chat, that's why he has not chatlog.

 

So, i muted him because he kept asking me questions non stop after i muted the other guy. I asked Hox to stop it 2 times because for me it started to be harassment.
And one of the last things he said was that he assumed that i got my period so i muted him with all that.

 

So this was a problem between you and him, you should have act like an adult and local mute him, there is nothing in this that justifies a vocal chat ban, or please tell me what statement in the rules does, i have a hard time finding it

 

"All bans are at the discretion of the admin, whether they are listed in the rules above or not" -ish quote

If he warned him to stop and he continued he is eligible for a mute.

 

if all bans were at the discretion of the admin, this thread would not exist

 

Adding to this: Admins shouldn't local mute people on Servers they are Admin on. Since that would make them unresposive to misbehaving people. For example if he would've localmuted Hoxx and he would start acting racist or starts micspamming, it would be pretty bad and it would be kinda his fault.
So no.
He felt harassed and asked him to stop.
Hoxx didn't stop, so he muted him.
I see nothing wrong here.
Also. You have no evidence. So this Report should've been Invalid from the start in my Opinion.

 

And i feel harassed by you all ingnoring my point, does that make me right ?

Judgments ain't based on feelings but on facts, and there is none that justifies this mute, as i already said.

 

there is. korato told you one.

and ninja told you his true reason. but in my opinion just a second reason to justify that mute.

I think everything has already been said.
the very first mute was justified.
the second mute might not be justified in your opinion but the reason for this mute is comprehensible. he felt offended and harrassed. he just tried to have some good time on the server and did his job as he should.

And I dont see any point in your arguing.

 

Ok, let's say he was right to mute him.

Next time I "feel harassed" i will ask for an admin to mute the guy harassing me, and following your logic, he will have to do it.

 

Hello The Wild Healer,

if someone is insulting / harassing over voice chat he can get muted (depends on the quanitity / content) for that yes.

The difference between you and an admin though is:
Admins (this includes MiniAdmins) are not allowed to voice_enable 0 and are also not allowed local mute someone.
Reasons for the mute have been mentioned already (reffering to Korato)

I think this should be clear enough for you aswell now.
If you should have any further questions do not hesitate to ask though.

In my oppinion Ninjamouze did good in this case. He tried it with words first and took action afterwards. Maybe the reason for the mute should be changed from "rude" to "harassement" but thats it.
Beside the fact that you dont have any prove at all which makes this admin report invalid anyway.

 

The lack of proof isn't really any issue here, just the reporting party being lazy and not going into the chatlogs.

Also the mute reason "rude" isn't really "unprofessional" just not very specific.

Furthermore [whoever] who was muted for micspam was 100% fine.

Looking at said chatlog of the reporting side the mute was justified, seeing that you weren't really behaving very, let's say, content. Which somewhat looks hypocritical with what you wrote here.

This thread does seem like a misunderstanding of your and ninjas "rights" on the server, your behaviour was just misplaced and ninja is not forced to just take it (neither is anyone else of course).

and regarding your last message;

Yes, feel free to report the harassing person, our admin(s) will then evaluate if it is ruining your serverexperience and if so act accordingly.

Thank you for your report. I will decline this since the reason for your report was justified.
Please continue to enjoy your time on our servers