Rejected Banned incorrectly

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  1. ArkTiC

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    I've sent a private message to the person that rejected my appeal
    it reads as followed:
    Why have you rejected my appeal and made me unable to post so I can defend myself?
    Do you not understand everyone has the right to be innocent until proven guilty?
    In response to your post I must say that you have said that I have impersonated via other accounts.
    I in this sense have, BUT you must know there was no intent to fraud which is one of the listed requirements, if you list
    switching your name and picture to someone else's as simply "Impersonating with intent to fraud" then that simply means that you should ban the 10000+ people that have changed their names to pros names or copied someone simply because they are a fan of their profile.
    If there is an impersonation that occurred then please provide evidence as well as the evidence proving that their was an intent to fraud, on any other accounts, because I was not in possession of the account at this time this happened and I have not impersonated with the intent to fraud on any accounts. Otherwise I will be in contact with your "superiors" and make sure they know of this matter.
    There is also no proof of this intent to fraud either.

    I am now aware that I should not have bought an account but this is a very unfair ban as I am no related to the alternative account known as "SHAFFER," and I have been
    unfairly banned for something that does provide evidence whether or not it was me and why and who had done it.
    It clearly states Impersonation with an intent to fraud, and someone has reported me simply because I had a name and picture the same as someone elses. There is no evidence besides a picture and a name with no reports related to it.

    Senior trade moderator that got me banned simply because I impersonated someone.
    View Profile: Tio José das Vacas - Fortress of Gamers Community
    It clearly says with an attempt to fraud which I have never done.

    I would like to see evidence of this impersonation and the attempt to fraud.

    Ban appeal:
    http://forums.f-o-g.eu/threads/11491-steamrep-tag-removal-downgrade-ban-appeal-arktic.html
     
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    Please review and attempt to "downgrade" this moderator.
     
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    Also this report was submitted recently and the name and impersonation was set in 2013, so either the person has a grudge against the former owner of this account or is reporting with no evidence what so ever. You cannot ban someone without evidence and post screenshots of someone profile that has nothing to relate to this fraud. The picture taken shows my current profile where I currently do broker to only my close friends and this person tries to use a picture from 2-3 years ago to accuse me.
     
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    Though im no proffesional on the trading section, changing names to another users isnt ban worthy? Im not gonna say anything before all of the viewpoints have been presented, though i dont see why you've been banned in the first place if you didnt actually TRY to scam or whatever.
     
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    I also do not believe that simply changing your name to someone elses represents intent to fraud, It might be fanboying or attempting to annoy people, or maybe even fooling around with the person that is being impersonated.
     
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    ArkTiC,

    I have communicated with you on this matter various times. These are the things we ban for in terms of impersonation since you seem to be unsure:

    - copying the avatar and name of a green tagged (on SteamRep) middleman or admin.
    - copying the profile of another user, with intent to defraud, this includes but is not limited to: claiming to be a vault account, claiming another users reputation as your own, claiming another users inventory as your own. Often we mark without seeing the name and/or avatar being the same in these cases if obvious intent is there.

    You fall under the first point, as evident here ( http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198061005463?t=1361599811 ). I would also like to state, that both situations fall under the umbrella of "impersonation with intent to defraud", hence your confusion.

    Just for the record, Tio José das Vacas did not get you banned, that would be me. He merely applied the tag to you while I actually accepted the report, hence his final comment on the report. I say this because we have a strict policy that says the trade mod who processes the report cannot process the appeal. Two trade mods have looked over your report/appeal and we have both decided you should have a full tag for your offences.
     
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    Simply copying the avatar of someone and having the same name should not fall under the umbrella of "impersonation with the INTENT TO FRAUD." If this is the case then i will happily copy and paste the links of every impersonator that is apparently looking to fraud someone in this thread, by this I mean there are several thousand people that have the same name and avatar compared to people with the green tags, that are simply out there to have fun, without the intent to harm others.
     
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    For the purposes of marking on SteamRep, thats how we (and SteamRep themselves!) consider it. This is not the correct place to argue the reasoning/existence of that policy. As you've mentioned a few times, if you impersonate a green tagged middleman/admin "as a joke" (which you should never do) and get yourself banned then that could be considered in the case of an appeal; this shouldn't concern you though because you were not marked for impersonation of friends (with a green tag) as a joke.

    Please do! Go ahead and make some scam reports in the appropriate section ( Scam Reports ) after reading this: http://forums.f-o-g.eu/threads/1933-how-report-scammer-read-first.html

    Remember though, people you report must meet one or more of the things I listed in my post to be worthy of a tag, if you're not sure, submit it anyway and we'll let you know.

    EDIT:

    You'll notice a very large percentage of those accounts are already marked. I encourage you to submit a report on the ones not already marked as mentioned above.
     
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    My point is you should not mark and ban people that have done nothing wrong besides copy someone, this could be caused my many reasons such as simply liking the layout and things such as just doing it for fun. Simply banning because of an avatar and a picture is an honestly stupid thing to do. What if someone did not of this rule and copied someone in a game. My point is remove the ban please. It is not fair to some people.
     
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    The point is that it is unfair to ban others because of a similar picture and name, especially when it years old and no harm has come from it, otherwise wouldn't there be a report for that specific reason on me? I believe this rule should in fact be adjusted to fit the right people and not apply to everyone that is simply out there on steam doing this for "fun."
     
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    I have no idea why I repeated myself, Please also teach me to use the site whenever you are ready to. :)
    You also say that you only follow steamrep.com's rules, I will get back to you on that when the site does not keep responding with an error.
     
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    (From now on when I refer to admin/middlemen in this thread, I'm referring to those on either of these lists: http://steamrep.com/list/M / http://steamrep.com/list/A )

    Most impersonations we get are of middlemen. The middlemen themselves attempt to have unique names and avatars to make identifying clear impersonators easier. If an admin had a name as simple as "Bob" with a default Steam profile picture, then we probably wouldn't ban people for impersonating them unless there was clear intent (for example claiming to be a middleman on their profile).

    There is no possible way you can justify impersonation to me, even of non-admin/middlemen. Any further replies by me are just going to keep this going in circles, I'm happy to answer any other questions you have via Steam chat. But this is an admin report, so I'll let it continue to be that and hopefully you can too (although I'm pretty sure this report is gonna get dunked on).
     
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    Question: What if the person idolizes them like they idolize professionals? So they change their name and picture to it and pretend to be it online without actually harming anyone whatsoever.
    Also the name "Big bang theory" is not unique, a tonne of people use it and its a freaking TV show for gods sake, and that doesn't show much of an attempt and also apparently its a crime to do something 3 years earlier that did not harm anyone and get banned for something that did not harm anyone. For example if someone had smoked in an area which then had a sign go up 3 years later, would they get prosecuted for it? Especially when noone was harmed during this time. CASE AND POINT.
     
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    He also has a unique tag in front of his name [BBG], his community. As well as a cropped (not unique though) monty python profile image. These two in combination (with the exact same cropping on the image) is almost never going to happen purely by coincidence.
     
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