Resolved Report on Spartan

Admin Name
[FoGA] Spartan / [FoGA] Warlordz / [FoGA] Tranquilla

Time
07/08/2015 19:29

Server
Jailbreak :: F-o-G.eu - Europe

(Everything that happened in this report, happened in a few minutes. So I'll try to keep it as short as possible.)
Description

There was nothing really going on at first.
Everyone was having fun, just messing around really.
At one point, R.E.D decided to dress up like a free2play.
Gibus, Pyrovision Goggles, Sun-on-a-stick, and all that stuff.
More people joined in, just to have some laughs.
By taking on a little kid's voice once in a while, then proceeding being a normal warden for example.
And changing our names to something cringy, mine was 'xXx_yourd34d_xXx'.
Nothing too big of a deal, since freekillers still got banned and everyone was having fun.

Here's where stuff suddenly gets really weird, really fast.
Spartan decided to leave a lovely message in the shoutbox, taking a stab at the people in the server for no apparent reason.

A few minutes after that he joins the server.
He starts off by not saying a word and just slaying, teambanning, muting and gagging people.
In Steam chat he does not respond to me after I ask what the heck has gotten into him.
Everyone's a bit confused at this point.
Spindel the Daytony: why cant he take a simple joke?
So we decide to go on with playing jailbreak, but then..

He bans himself for a long period of time with the reason; "Fuckthis".
Showing how truly professional he is himself.


He then bans Oku! and me for 2 hours.

I'm baffled that Oku! got banned as he didn't do anything wrong.
He didn't change his name to something considered trolly, neither did he type anything weird or provoke anyone.
His ban is completely unjustified.

All in all, it was just innocent fun at the jailbreak server.
Spartan heavily overreacted and even punished people that didn't do anything wrong at all in the process.
People later even sent me messages asking me what was going on with him or just general "wow"s.
What we were doing was completely harmless and the way he behaved is unacceptable.

I can conclude that Spartan behaved unprofessionally yesterday and should be receiving a formal warning after;
Openly mocking in shoutbox, banning for unjust reasons and overreacting in general.
An admin should always keep his cool and never get out the banhammer right away without any lecturing beforehand.

Witnesses
Oku!
R.E.D
Spindel the Daytony
ShotGun_With_Pootis
Infernal|Kombo King|Blue
Batriks
★Knife_4_Life★
Cel | Different
Ducks Are People Too
FuckOff
Teh TheoDeKillah
Dubsy Dubstep

These are the people who were there when the ban happened, there are potentially more.

 

Had permission from watson to ban you guys.

I had to teamban you.
I then had your friends insult me by changing names.
You were squeaking on mic.
Acting like a child.
Calling it harmless fun.
You are a pillar of the community someone to be looked up to, you should not act like a child.

I did speak to Oku about it and after and I did know he didnt take part.
However, I did not revoke his ban.

I banned myself because I wanted to, thats not abuse, even downy does this.
I messaged in the shoutbox because I can? That is not abusive nor unprofessional I am allowed to give my opinions.


You forgot about the part where you insulted me in the shoutbox.

You want me to have a warning fine, but I did what I felt right.


EDIT2:
A few minutes after that he joins the server.
He starts off by not saying a word and just slaying, teambanning, muting and gagging people.
In Steam chat he does not respond to me after I ask what the heck has gotten into him.

Actually I joined, I saw you breaking guard rules and banned you, I then wrote that comment.

You guys started insulting me with ur renames or squeaking on mic on purpose which is against the rules.
I never received the steam message till today.

All I am going to say, I am not going to bother with this petty give me a warning thread.

http://files.f-o-g.eu/ba091d

 

That does not make my report invalid.
I doubt you told Watson everything listed in this report.

You started by intentionally provoking me, you knew damn well I would respond to something like that.

 

Edited for more clarification and yes I messaged him about everything that happened before I banned you.

 

I could go on my phone to further prove that I did.
And before you give me the "that's mean" argument, we've known each other for 2 years or so now.
So I doubted that you would've taken this as a seriously insult.

As for the pillar of the community, stop.
All members are equally important to the community.
I don't want people to look up to me because I'm an admin.
I want people to look up to me by showing what I'm worth as a person.
Occassionaly kicking some fun is lovely, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

From what I can remember the only person who mocked you was Kombo King.
I did not rename a single person.

 

Sorry, it seems you had posted this after my edit but loaded it before it. I did change it too I never received it till this morning before my last edit.

I had my pc and laptop on and my PC must have received the message as my laptop did not beep.

 

Now, i would like to point out before i do anything that i hold nothing against Spartan or anyone related to this incident.

First of all, if what is written here is true, then why was Oku banned at all, i understand that you might've been stuck in the heat of the moment and not thought about it, or banned him in relation to that he didn't do anything about what happened at all. But banning and team-banning people due to an incident under control which was clearing just fucking about that a lot of players do these days, shouldn't have been a solution to this at all. Obviously the scenario could've been much worse but we gotta look at the grand scale of things, that Spartan overreacted to some fucking about by Starfish and other players on Jailbreak.

As i don't recognise Spartan as a player that reacts this way to things like this basically 99% of the time. But as an admin, not saying that i didn't do this. You will have to be able with certain things annoying you and just swallow it, you cant control the outcome of the server all the time but at the same time keep it under control, which i think Spartan mixed up.

I reckon that spartan tried to keep the server under control while wanting to change the outcome of what was happening to something different, not that i know what he was aiming for. Now i may be wrong on multiple occasions of this but that is what my estimate of what went down. Seeing as this is actually partly what Admio did back when he was an admin, i personally find it justified to execute a possible warning to Spartan, or just a personal warning that if he does anything similar a warning would be issued.

Again, i have nothing against you spartan but we make mistakes sometimes, which we just have to accept and eat up any criticism that you might receive from your actions.

TL;DR: Stuff happened that shouldn't have happened and a warning/personal warning should be considered (In my opinion)

 

First of all.



Second of all, I do agree with this being wrong from what I can understand but the whole situation is a little confusing so here's what I think I understand:

- Spartan Joins
- People got banned for squeaking and stuff without spartan knowing it was a joke
- After this you messaged him and didn't receive a response
- Right after he said something in shoutbox that pissed you off
- Then Spartan bans himself which is completely irrelevant to anything what-so-ever
- And now you're claiming him to be unprofessional given the position you found yourself in this situation
- Neither you or Spartan have any real claim to justice here.

Just drop this here, wrong person at the wrong time in the wrong place - just an unfortunate series of events.

 

I know I said that would be it, however, I did warn the players to act more maturely with csay and then they continued, I only banned Starfish and Oku, Oku it seemed was a bit of a worse case scenario, he turned out to have joined in as all his friends were doing it and not really breaking any rules, I did apologize to him but it seemed when he did it that it was directed towards me like the others were.

I may have overreacted but it was not pleasant, it was painful to listen to. And it was insulting to me. I did warn the other players and gagged/muted a few 1-3 of them but I only banned starfish and oku after I had a chat with Watson.

 

If over 20 people are having fun by being less serious, there's hardly any problem.
If one guy is not capable of enjoying himself there's no need for him to pull the plug entirely.
Were literally talking about one person here, who could've resorted to a much more pleasant way.
That's unprofessional to me, take it as you like.

 

Honestly, if there were insults thrown at Spartan, I can't say that "over 20 people having fun" is a justified argument on this one

Expecting him to just suck it up and not enforce the rules he voluntarily signed up to do, is much less professional of a response if you ask me
Two wrongs don't make one right

 

Kinda have to agree with Jozan on this one. 20 people having fun isn't really a justification for what's basically bullying at that point.

 

The people were having fun BEFORE Spartan banned Starfish & Oku!. I'm not claiming that the insulting would've been justified, nor acceptable, but just wanted to throw that out there.

The server isn't really THAT serious and if everything was under control, the bans were a bit too much IMO.

 

Doesn't change the fact that Spartan enforced rules; what we admins are signed up to do, you know?

Besides, given that Spartan had permission to ban, I wouldn't call it "Everything under control".

 

Everything was under control, you can ask the people who were there for all I care.
And admins should enforce rules while still being reasonable, most of the people in the server were mad at Spartan solely for the way he reacted.

 

I think people should go by the rules. Of course they are there to being enforced. But imo on jailbreak it is full with squeakers just because of the avarage age, so would it be justified to mute everyone? No.

If things are just going fine and nobody complains why would you ruin the evening of 20 people by (team)banning them? Please keep in mind that jailbreak is a bit of "special" server with a large regular userbase. Sometimes you need to be a little more flexible with it than on a serious server, same goes for servers like Trade/Idle.

 

Trademasterrace

Good points, chickie.

In this scenario though, Spartan was being insulted, so it gives him firm grounds to stand on.
And as mentioned, he had permission - we can't really argue about this one, we have to acknowledge it raher

 

Well I would love to see that proven!

 

Again, the insulting began after the bans.
And I'm not sure what Spartan told to Watson/Downie, but I'd assume that Watson got only Spartan's side of the story which resulted to the permission.

 

http://files.f-o-g.eu/9e1b89
http://files.f-o-g.eu/4cg63c
http://files.f-o-g.eu/fa1c97

With regards to oku, he renamed himself to salty_Rekt after I came on and I am not sure whether that was just bad timing or aimed at me, after talking I found it was bad timing.
I saw "Spartan homless" "Spartans ex" "Salty Spartan" with the names after I teambanned Starfish.

With the squeaker it was not normal youngens it was people acting like squeakers, putting on the voice acting like it, this is both insulting to people of the age group and annoying to listen too.