Rejected cetru. abuse report

Admin Name: cetru.

Time (format dd.mm.YYYY HH:mm): 14.08.2014 09:49

Server: Trade Server trade_rawr_v2_2

Description (describe what happend): So basically I rocket jumped to him and killed him with my shotgun, after that he said in chat: can't mk, uses shotty, pretty common. I thought okay he is in a bad mood and gets mad over a normal kill, while he continues killing people as a sniper headshotting them across the map as soon as they come out the spawn. So I rocket jump to him again, this time Im killing him with the Market Gardener, so he got even more mad and banned for 1 full day without ANY warnings, no slay, no kick nothing. Ive been an admin on FoG and its a no-go to ban anyone without warning/slaying/kicking people. So his reason for the ban was "Spawncamping constantly which is an obvious lie just cos he got mad that I killed him once with a market gardener doesnt mean he can ban me for 1 full day. I remember that we were friends cetru, but you just went way too far with this, and I will do anything possible to get you demoted, since I am sure that was not the first time you abused and got warnings previously when even I was an admin on FoG. For a marked community on SteamREP this is a no-no.

Witness (optional): None, I wasnt even able to get my friends here since he banned me straight without any warnings/slays/kicks.

Proof (images, videos, demos): Gyazo - aef25364c0a19aa34ebc0057da635725.png - his ban reason.
http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/70123930612184396/9E8A63B0E8F4CBCEFC2BB7FAC617170AFDA83F6D/ - the proof of him banning me after the market gardener kill, he was outside his spawn pretty close to the boxing ring. I wish I had video proof because I normally record my full gameplay incase something happens on other servers so I can report it straight, sadly my fraps didnt work today so I couldnt get better proof.

p.s. Cetru always goes sniper and spawnkills the people from across the map (the run out of spawn and get headshotted, many people even complained a few times), even when he is a market gardener soldier, he kills the snipers the same way I killed him, if this report wont go through then I have no clue what happened to the old good community I enjoyed playing on.

 

Wow. Did not see this coming.

Before other people will spam stuff here, guys please remain on topic and let cetru respond. Uncleben is indeed an old admin, so we should be able to trust his side of the story as well.
We all know that if it turns into a shitstorm noname will just decline it so please don't let that happen.

 

Downy Shitstorm Prevention©

 

Thanks for moderating Downie.

Well, let's start with what I said: there was no anger in it, it was just stating a fact; I wasn't in a bad mood at all, and if an unknown trolldier would make me mad, I wouldn't be admin in the first place. Second of all, the warning: I constantly keep "spamming" the message @@@Don't Spawncamp\spam; since there is an absurd amount of people that keeps spawncamping I usually don't warn them directly, I "spam" that message, which appears in the middle of the screen, so it's pretty visible. I warn people that they are gonna get gagged if they spam too much, or get muted if they micspam, or banned if they quit the game after losing a spycrab match (if I'm called to check on it ofc) and so on. Regarding the "I am sure you abused other times" part, I think that's not so smart of yours to say, since you haven't got any proof (the past few reports were all invalid or got declined) and the regulars on that server know I don't abuse. It just seems you're spitting out false and unbased accusations because of your personal "hate" towards me. Just to make clear that I'm fair and rational when banning, I even banned some of my closest friends when they deserved it, all they said was sorry. The me sniping across the map part, as far as I know that's not considered spawncamping and it never was. If it is, please, people of FoG, enlighten me. I don't actually remember anyone complaining about it, and again, no proof. If it's a warning I deserve, I will accept it, even if both times I got killed by you I was really close to the spawn, which would be considered spawnkilling, but whatever. And btw, I never was your "friend", I barely talked to you and I seriously and sincerely don't know how I could make you angry at the point of saying "I want you to get demoted". I don't think I am that bad of an admin, I really really rarely get "mad", and if so there's a good reason; when I am on the server, no rule is broken, more or less. The last sentence of the p.s. is pretty pointless: a good community does what is best for its members, and that's what it has been doing the whole time, it never stopped. If I deserve a punishment, I'lo be given one, but that's not a decision you alone can take; everybody and n0name in particular have to agree with it.

Anyway, that's all from me. If there is something more I have to answer to or make clear, feel free to ask me ofc.

 

I have often played with cetru when he has been doing the sniping as you mentioned.

Just a clear reminder for all or for those that may not know yet: The sniper is the only class in the trade server that is "allowed to shoot into spawn" given that he is far away enough. If he's outside the spawn area he's still spawncamping, but say he's sniping from his spawn or balcony or far away enough, he's permitted.
I've never seen anyone complain about his sniping either and I've never seen cetru act too quickly in handing out a ban; he does indeed keep flashing a message that warns of spawncamping and spamming.
I'd understand the ban since if you keep coming at him outside his spawn, giving him next to no chance to exit it safely you're basically spawncamping.

I've never seen him ban anyone without the big warning message in the middle of the screen appearing before banning.

The image should give you an idea of what is 'outside' spawn.

Spoiler

 

I can vouch for this since I'm on the server quite often.

 

So what, if I am a soldier I can't shoo in and kill them and get banned/slayed. BUT if I am a sniper I CAN DO IT ALL I WANT? Seriously what gives one class the right to do so, he is still spawnkilling as he is killing people in their spawn, what do you think that meant? Spawn camping, he is killing people and camping them by continually killing them with the sniper. On mariokart this is prohibited and people are banned for it, why not the same on trade?!

 

Probably because Sniper battles are fun on the flat map for many players and the crucial fact it's a trade server where trading is the main attraction.

This isn't to say any other class IS NOT allowed to kill for example a sniper standing in his spawn; he's just not allowed to camp it by being outside for too long.

I don't make the rules, Spartan.

 

Sniper battles are still spawnkilling, the rules say No spawnkilling no spawn camping, they do not really state "unless it is a sniper duel". The fact is they are still spawnkilling, and a lot of the time they kill any class not only snipers and so thus they do spawnkill.

 

That's how it has always been, I don't think its' worth the change because it's a trade server.

 

The rules state "No Spawncamping" but not "No spawnkilling". Spawncamping is pretty much when you are unable to get outside of spawn because other players are sticky/rocket/whateverspamming the spawn. Since Cetru didn't do that, and since some Snipers never even leave their spawn in our trade server, Sniper battles do infact not classify as Spawncamping, at least in my opinion.

 

"Spawncamping is pretty much when you are unable to get outside of spawn " See in my opinion it is, they aim at the spawn and kill you whenever you walk out in my experience, and so I do. Remember headtricker lost his admin after a report was put against him for spawncamping with loads of screenshots of him shooting in spawn from miles away on mariokart. Why should it be called different here?


"Partyneer had tons of evidence also backing this up, some even lurking around on the forums, so i got agree with this guy.

Being these:
http://forums.f-o-g.eu/attachments/a...o_kart0026.jpg
http://forums.f-o-g.eu/attachments/a...o_kart0030.jpg
http://forums.f-o-g.eu/attachments/a...o_kart0027.jpg
http://forums.f-o-g.eu/attachments/a...o_kart0034.jpg
"
being very useful to the report.

 

Keep calm please, there's nothing to be so angry about.
Since the first time I played on the Trade server nobody (nor players neither admins) ever told me that was wrong and when I asked I was told what Jozzeh has stated.
Basically, what you're saying is, every single sniper on the server should be banned, since every non regular player wouldn't know your way of interpretating the rules. I myself, the first times I played, used to do that pretty often. What's more, I play soldier really often: never had anything to complain about.
And I don't "keep killing people in spawn", I never aim directly at the main spawn exit; I kill people coming out of the big main external door when there's nobody to shoot at in the rest of the map. Why saying such a lie about me? Have I made you angry somehow?
Anyway, if you want it changed, make a thread about it, since this isn't the main topic here (me banning the reporter is) and will probably end up in a shitstorm.

 

Mario kart =/= Trade.

Keep this in mind.
Zefeel makes a valid point as well. When the two snipers have no intentions of leaving the spawn, they know what to expect.
You can't possibly call that spawncamping.

But please, stick to the topic.
I brought the spawncamping rule up because it has a role in the report.

This is not a "Make trade a more serious competetive server" thread.

 

The "page was not found". And also, images like these were not included in this report. Uncleben has literally nothing to back his report up with. Not even a Demo or any screenshots of cetru camping.

 

I am not angry, I was just stating that no one should be given the right to shoot in spawn, weather 10 ft away or across the map, you are still denying them the right to leave, and that has been implemented on mariokart, and did lose help someonelose admin

 

Once again, can you back this up with any proof?

 

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In the tounge of evidence, zefeel has actually a point yet again.

The images only tells us Uncleben got banned; but they don't come even remotely close to proving cetru camping.
For those of you thinking this is just to back cetru up, here's something to think about:
If Uncleben's evidence "proves" cetru camping, do you have any idea how many people could report all of the trade admins for virtually anything as long as they show the forum a screenshot of them getting banned for whatever reason?

Spartan, keep in mind that on the trade server you can have donator weapons. Fair, right?
I really think you should concede the fact about sharing a rule that doesn't fit the trade server.

 

No, but jozzeh said he has seen him do so and that he uses the class that bypasses this, I am just saying it should not be looked over like "he was a sniper" if he was doing so it was against the rules.

 

Cetru explained it quite well, he doesn't aim directly at their exit, but waits for them to come out and then shoots them. Which, just incase you didn't understand it yet, does not classify as spawncamping.