Invalid Admin abuse.

Hello everyone, I came here to complain because I was perma banned from the server for evading mute after being muted by the admin, because I told the admin to stop killing me with god mode on. It is not the first time it happens is already the second, I hope you will take action against this incompetent, his name is The Golden Werewolf. More players can confirm my version.

 

It was not Werewolf who issued the perm ban. We have a rule here that a permban is issued after you have received your third ban. This was your third ban.
You are free to write a ban appeal if you feel this ban was unjustified.

 

Just browsing trough your chat history.
I must say, Not the best language you use to get a ban appeal approved...

Fortress of Gamers - Stats - Team Fortress 2 Trade/Idle - Chat History - Pootisman ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

I believe you, but we need evidence before we can do something about it. If you can provide pictures or videos where you can clearly see he's abusing his permissions, we could go further with this.

 

You were long overdue for a ban anyway, repeatedly spawncamping with stickybombs, general troublemaking and spamming the report function. I'm surprised that this was the straw that broke the camel's back, but it shouldn't really matter.

 

I changed Werewolfs One Week ban to a perma, because of the 3rd ban rule.

If your protest against Werewolf is accepted, I'm more then happy to change it for you.

 

"selling Unusual Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker (2 keys)"

So what was that other rule on scamming?

I'll also add on that this ban seems very much justified, just by the chat history itself.

Seems you've got a tad of spam in there too:

 

That ain't from the day he got banned. That is 6 days ago.

 

I expect it still counts, laddie.

 

Note that the ban I originally issued was a single day long, this was for bad language after multiple warnings, the godmode was to stop you from stickycamping the teleporters as per usual, over the last few days I'd given you warnings about shouting random jibberish over the mic and swearing at anyone for killing you, I didn't intend for it to become permanent but since you seemed incapable of keeping yourself calm, I enacted the mute+gag, then you proceeded to rejoin to remove it which resulted in said ban.

 

I think all the proof we need is the confession in The Golden Werewolf's post.

Let's consider this from the aspect of Pootis for a moment, shall we? As far as I'm aware, Admins are Admins because they're supposed to be compatible with social situations. "Bad Language" and "Random Jibberish over the Microphone" are completely illogical reasons to result in ban. Basically, Golden, you're using a fancy format to imply that you got offended and banned a player because you can't handle being called names. Boo-Hoo.

Let me clear things up for you - we're not living in a perfect society. Not everyone can keep their language clean - especially when other players can be quite troublesome. Even I, myself, and individual with an intense amount of maturity have lost myself and typed a few insults over players I loathed so entirely. This is EXPECTED, because EVERYONE has done it before, and EVERYONE will CONTINUE to do it now and then. It's TF2. Come on, guys.

And Random Gibberish over the microphone? Are you serious? Do I even need to comment about that one?
(In all honestly, I like his random gibberish. It's funny :B)

To me, this is admin abuse. Admins are supposed to be mature and capable of handling people. They're not supposed to get their panties in a twist because some players said they're being a buttface. A good admin is a patient one.

With that said, Pootis may occasionally spawn camp, but he listens. If you tell him to stop, he stops. He's not a problem child that'll continue breaking the same rule every two minutes. I've met those kinds of people on this server - and ironically, I never see them getting the boot.

"incapable of keeping yourself calm".

Please explain to me how either of you were calm in this. :/

Pootis, you dum-dum. Look what you got yourself into. >:O

 

He's been doing it many times over the last few months, leading to a number of slayings/kicks by coffee and meow. It should not take multiple times. He knows not to do it, and yet he does it regardless. After being told to stop doing what you're doing by an admin, what do you NOT do? KEEP ON DOING IT.

 

Admins on trade can vouch for the fact that I don't care whether or not I get called bad names, I only care if people are constantly spamming vulgarity (Which he was, stated by his chatlog) I'm not the only person he's been cussing out either, he has a habit of telling anyone who fires at him to "FUCK OFF" over the microphone, which I'd warned him of many times before, if anything I've been more patient with him than any other player who's that rude to people.

On the topic of the permaban, this is copy/pasted from the rules page.

All temporary bans are warnings, and the accumulation of two temporary bans will cause you to be permanently banned. ( Third ban is permanent. )

 

pulling things out of context,
Do note the ban was result of:
mute/gag evasion
spawncamping
random gibberish/bad language (bad language multiple warnings one should be enough)

third ban perma ban rule even one of these reasons is enough for the third temp ban that would make it perma.

 

Then he should have been kicked/banned/whatever for it ages ago. Much like OTHER players who do it on a DAILY basis that, apparently, get away with it. A+ work there, you got me! Spawncamping is bad, even I know that.

But let's compare "bad" to "worse." You guys act like he's one of the "worse", and he's not.

Spawncamping really has nothing to even do with the resulted kick as far as I know. :/ Unless I can get some nifty evidence that he spawncamped during all of this! This is sort of about bad language, "random gibberish" and admin abuse! c:

S'far as I know, you're trying to grab errors from the past and mingle it with the future.
But I don't live in the past. Sorry.

In what format was he "spamming" vulgarity? Let's take a look at them logs,

2013-07-12 21:07:53 no balls to switch off the god mode.
2013-07-12 21:07:31 that's what he was.
2013-07-12 21:07:24 stupid fking coward.
2013-07-12 21:06:40 a stupid fking coward worst admin i've never see.
2013-07-12 21:06:27 werewolf u are a coward.

Five lines. Is this really what you consider vulgar "spam"?

After that, it doesn't look like he said anything that redirected any form of hatred at you.
Oh, wait, but there's this too.


2013-07-10 18:26:59 humen is the admin stupid fag.

Six lines of hurt. Definitely spam! Not sure why the logs are so long though. It kinds of just stops. Right there.

Unless you call this being vulgar.

2013-07-06 16:17:05 i'm on fire D:.

Gah! Such a mean thing to say! So spammy too! I can't even-
Anyway, if this is really what you call justice, then please come to the server on a daily basis and take a look at the players who simply don't shut their faces. A nice, long stream of insults right there. You'll be banning and warning left and right! Doesn't that sound fun? It was quite an unlucky day for Pootis to be the only one noticed.

I consider "FUCK YOU" or "BACK OFF" a natural response when other players are currently up one's arse. If you've never gotten mad and blamed someone for your death before on TF2, then you are not human. T:

Also may I point out, did you even try to just simply tell him (via microphone or text) to "stop"? Or, did you sort of beat him senseless without him having any idea why? And what kind of reaction did you expect to get from that?

By the looks of it, he thought you were in-game killing him with godmode on for no reason but to be a douche! At least tell him what he did first! Sheesh. It's almost like you set him up by bullying him into getting mad at you so you could have a reason to start all of this. U:

So then was he spawncamping at the moment of his removal? :/
Or are we gathering things from the past to form sort of a criminal record in reassurance that no more chances should be given?

Not to mention, how many people would be banned for cussing if Golden was there and attentive every now and then? It's not like he cusses every two seconds, or that his entire method of language revolves around foul language. Compared to others, he doesn't even do it very often - and I honestly can't see how anyone would take what he says during those moments into serious consideration.

And still 'random gibberish'? I'm starting to think that we're not allowed to use our microphones! What might sound like gibberish to a user who doesn't pay attention - could be the result of a response to someone in the chat box. But nope! You get banned for that too, apparently. Maybe the whole server should be muted. All problems there would be solved. It's funny how even Mic spam is more accepted than "random gibberish". What a logical reason indeed.

I want to see a player actually imply that they've been emotionally HURT by random gibberish and/or bad language before I accuse someone of being "rude", or "mean". Because either players really don't care, or, like me, they don't take it seriously to begin with.
Not that random gibberish is even hurtful. 8l
I really hope not. 8l
Something's wrong here if you guys are hurt by barely-comprehensible english words and weird noises. 8T;




Take what I've said into consideration, guys. You kind of do abuse your powers when you can only settle problems by banning everyone. No one was getting hurt, and he caused no harm, and it's not really fair how he was sort of baited like this. T:

To me, he didn't deserve this. It was just downright mean to mess with him like this to begin with. U:

 

Alright, so I'm doing this from a neutral stand point here and uh...

I really cannot see where you got that from.

 

don't know why you're so upset about this hobo, surely it should be pootis himself riding his dick instead of you? let's weigh up the facts. He ignored an admin when he was asked to stop. he got stroppy and insulted the admin. the admin banned him. as he has a history of bans, the ban was made permanent. That's all. This isn't a big, personal vendetta, it's standard procedure.

 

I'll have to note that the spawncamping in no way contributed to the ban, I'll also post a link to all 3 of his bans so that you can see why he was banned.

Fortress of Games - Sourcebans

Also, my chatlog of the warnings I'd given before the silences.

2013-07-12 20:58:26 Pootis, language.. Achievement/Idle :: F-o-G.eu - Instant Respawn achievement_apg_remade9j
2013-07-07 15:58:43 Pootis, remember what I said about the jibberish?. Achievement/Idle :: F-o-G.eu - Instant Respawn achievement_apg_remade9j
2013-07-05 22:41:50 No, Pootis.. Achievement/Idle :: F-o-G.eu - Instant Respawn achievement_apg_remade9j
2013-07-05 22:40:49 Pootis, I'm fine with you being funny, so long as it's not all HERBLERDUR.. Achievement/Idle :: F-o-G.eu - Instant Respawn achievement_apg_remade9j

And make sure you read the reasons for the bans VERY CAREFULLY.

And I guess I'll have to copy/paste the 3 ban rule again since you clearly didn't read it, Hobo, not living in the past isn't an excuse, this is how WE administrate, not how you WANT us to administrate.

All temporary bans are warnings, and the accumulation of two temporary bans will cause you to be permanently banned. ( Third ban is permanent. )
All temporary bans are warnings, and the accumulation of two temporary bans will cause you to be permanently banned. ( Third ban is permanent. )
All temporary bans are warnings, and the accumulation of two temporary bans will cause you to be permanently banned. ( Third ban is permanent. )
All temporary bans are warnings, and the accumulation of two temporary bans will cause you to be permanently banned. ( Third ban is permanent. )
All temporary bans are warnings, and the accumulation of two temporary bans will cause you to be permanently banned. ( Third ban is permanent. )
All temporary bans are warnings, and the accumulation of two temporary bans will cause you to be permanently banned. ( Third ban is permanent. )
All temporary bans are warnings, and the accumulation of two temporary bans will cause you to be permanently banned. ( Third ban is permanent. )

 

I don't know why is this even being discussed, reasons are valid enough. It's not admin abuse...Let's take it this way, if you do repeated offense, you'll end up in jail. Same logic works here, this has nothing to do with personal feelings, admin shouldn't repeat himself fifty times and player who doesn't want to be banned, shouldn't be told fifty times to NOT do something.

 

I better not break a rule then, because then later I'll be kicked again for doing it in the first place even if I didn't do it again.
That's how this works, right?

Hit once, and then get hit back five times? Eugh. Let's live in the past some more, then. Something he did a while back and got a warning for already totally still counts!

Also, please give me a rule that distinctively says "Mild Language is not allowed under any circumstances, EVER."
While you're at it, could you get the rule that says, "Mic Spam is acceptable!" too?

Also, no need to spam. You hate spam! Remember?
The third ban rule has nothing to do with what I'm even talking about.

Let me clarify.

The REASON FOR the THIRD ban is NOT in the RULES.
And if it is, give it to me. I want it.

Other than that, I could care less about his past. :/

The whole general idea here is that Pootis was permabanned for smacktalk and foul language.

However, take into consideration that at the time he wasn't talking to anyone but Golden.

Which, in other words, means that Golden got mad at being insulted, since he was the only one being insulted.
I kid you not, no one else was actually involved.

Was he asked to stop? Because he usually won't ignore someone who asked him to do something. I was kind of there, and I don't recall Golden saying anything about stopping anything. All I saw was Pootis gettin' mad for being killed by someone who toggled Godmod. I even scrolled up to try and figure out what was going on (with little success).

And I can ride whoever I want. I'm Batman. T:

Again, applying an insult is a stupid reason to get kicked or banned. Insult him back! It's not that hard. You can't just ban someone who says you suck - people have to put up with it. I have to put up with it. Every day. I can't ban anyone even if I wanted to. And trust me, I have a list. :/

Just because you have the ability to kick/ban someone doesn't mean you get to use it. It's a little something called responsibility. Maturity. Patience.

As for Pootis joining in - It's better he doesn't, because from experience, I can tell you no one will listen to him because he's the accused to begin with. Y:
It's like having a criminal try and tell people that he's innocent. It won't work. Don't even.


And what you're telling me at this point, is just because he's done it before means he'll never stop. And that's not true. I understand the lack of trust, but, that's also like saying "That guy stole money before so that means he'll do it again and he'll never stop, so let's just kill him."

SO Let's weigh up some more facts. Getting snappy with an admin is no excuse to get banned. If that's the case, then I expect I won't be able to get on FoG in a couple of hours. c:

Oh, right. Golden, you still didn't tell me when you told Pootis to stop doing.. Whatever it was he was doing.

You should get those logs too, along with the "Mic spam is accepted" rule and "Bad language has a death penalty" rule. Thanke.